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Keep the excuses coming

"The answer is, ENZC never said anything about it in 4 years, and didn't even claim to be doing work on it."

The fact that ENZC did not say anything about the antibody in 4 years, does not mean that no work was being done behind the scenes and does not mean that the technology is a failure.

I mentioned the fact that veteran attorneys could be incompetent as attorneys, because I wanted to show you that even a veteran attorney like Charles Cotropia can fall for Docsetc's posturing and believe that Docsetc's lawsuit is real.

As for Cotropia's skill as a CEO, I have no idea whatsoever about his skill as a CEO. I invested because I believed that the antibody was a good product.

I didn't ask you this. I asked you to show me with links what ENZC ever said about progress in testing, evaluation, or show actual plans with dates to move to a phase 1 human test.

I didn't ask you why you invested in ENZC. Do you understand the difference in what I asked and what you answered?

The answer is, ENZC never said anything about it in 4 years, and didn't even claim to be doing work on it. Why can't you admit that? It's a simple basic important question. Either answer it or admit you have no interest in seeing your failures here.

"You'd be surprised as to how incompetent some veteran attorneys can be"

Actually I wouldn't and haven't ever expressed anything positive about them. On Friday when search is available to me in ihub, I will post at least 3 ENZC threads where C Cotropia is praised, and I'll ask where you comments were to those posters telling them the some attorneys are incompetent, and the fact he was an attorney isn't really something to give credence to his ability as CEO here. But, instead you are saying this now, to ME, now? Let's see where you said that to ENZC shareholders when the praised him. So, we'll look at this Friday after the close? Deal?

How about this, a freakin attorney with ZERO prior corporate exec experience in his life does not have the talent or skills to be running a 5 person "drug development" company? Correct?

Lastly, if you felt this way about the quality of veteran attorneys, why would you stay invested here?

You are just blurting stuff out, changing topics, and not addressing the failures in your logic that I am willing to take time to point out and help you. I am not even sure you have directly answered any of the due diligence questions at all.

Would you like to me list all the basic questions to you that you are still not addressing?

How about this, just admit you have no intention of seeing how your due diligence missed the side of the boat, and not willing to have a detailed discussion of the data or lack of it? Just admit it. You gave me the impression you were actually interested in learning what you did wrong. Now, you are looking like a typical pink sheet investor, and you'll make the same mistake again.

"I am trying to show the huge holes in your due diligence and how the losses are your fault."

My intent was to invest in a company that had an anti-HIV monoclonal antibody. That is why I invested in BioClonetics and stayed invested after the BioClonetics-ENZC merger. What due diligence was going to tell me that Chandra and the Cotropias would take the antibody and leave ENZC with the antibody?

And the antibody has not yet been shown to be a failure. Chandra and the Cotropias can still test that antibody on animals and humans, and that antibody can still prove to be profitable.

"These losing investors used to love to talk about what a great lawyer C Cotropia is/was. Well does anyone really think that if I see this is a fake lawsuit, and even some ENZC investors can actually see this is a fake lawsuit, that Cotropia doesn't see this already? lol"

You'd be surprised as to how incompetent some veteran attorneys can be. 12 years ago, I won a prize in a contest. Unfortunately, the prize was not as advertised. So, I demanded cash compensation from the contest organizers. An attorney for the organizers (an attorney with 25 years of experience in being an attorney) sent me an email in which he described why I should not get any cash compensation at all. In that email, he made a certain admission that I was able to use against the organizers. And the organizers gave me a settlement. I did not even have an attorney of my own.

"Now, since Chandra and the Cotropias took this monoclonal antibody out of ENZC and put this antibody into their new companies, we can conclude that there is a strong possibility that this antibody is valuable technology. "

This is insanity! They said nothing EVER about the drug, or can be shown that they did anything with it, in 4 years, so that means "we can conclude" it's valuable? This a wish, not a logical take based on company data or any company statements!

You haven't addressed what I asked. I am trying to show the huge holes in your due diligence and how the losses are your fault. You avoided most of my questions. You have shown NOTHING in my challenge to show any updates or discussing to this drug in the years ENZC owned it. The answer is ZERO correct? Then say so!

Do you agree that ENZC gave zero updates with progress or even concrete plans to go ahead with testing/phase 1 testing, and showed zero evidence that they did any more testing of any type. Yes or No? Simple question! If no, then post links to the statements they made showing progress or what data ENZC released.

We haven't even gotten started here. If you want me to show you what you missed, you need to address ALL of my questions or points, and be prepared to discuss them further. If you don't want to see or learn from your mistakes, and yes they are YOUR mistakes, just say so, and we'll end the discussion!

Are you serious?

"Have some integrity and character TJ. There's a right and a wrong way to do things."

Why is it wrong to make people think that you are going to sue them?

"Show me which labs successfully tested anti-HIV monoclonal antibody?"

OK, Mr. I-Glow. I will.

Please go to the following link:
https://wefunder.com/bioclonetics/details (Company Overview section)

The below information is from the Company Overview section. I don't see any mentions of Bulgaria or Africa.
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The lab results quoted were the product of testing in 5 independent laboratories. In tests conducted at the University of California of San Francisco (by Jay Levy, M.D.), Clone 3 Antibody was shown to have in vitro neutralization effect against geographically distinct clinical HIV (primary) isolates. Research conducted at four additional international institutes has confirmed these results of in vitro neutralization. In total, the neutralizing capabilities of Clone 3 have been verified at the following 5 laboratories:

1. University of California, San Francisco, CA, USA (Jay Levy, M.D.)
2. University of South Florida, Tampa, FL, USA (Kenneth Ugen, Ph.D.)
3. Polymun Scientific, GmbH, Vienna, AUSTRIA, (Hermann Katinger, Ph.D.)
4. Duke University, Durham, NC, USA (David Montefiori, Ph.D.)
5. Dana Farber Cancer Institute (DFCI), Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA, (Ruth Ruprecht, M.D., Ph.D.)

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"So now you admit it is a fake lawsuit."

Maybe it IS a fake lawsuit; maybe it isn't. I don't know.
But Doc is not asking anyone for money, as far as I know. So, why do you people care that Doc is trying to make Chandra and the Cotropias think that there will be a lawsuit?


"Who is going to pay the law firm and those that pay aren't going to share the settlement with those that didn't pay"

Doc has implied that he would try to get a settlement for all cheated investors. If there is some kind of settlement, the settlement agreement will specify which money goes to which investor. The investors who paid for the law firm will not be able to keep all of the settlement money for themselves.

You saved me a lot of typing, as this would have been at least 2/3rd of my response. I'll wait until he addresses at least 2/3rd of your points

These are the questions that ANY REASONABLE investor should have answered themselves BEFORE investing. Let's see what he has to say. More like, let's see what he avoids answering, as they never like to be shown all the logical steps they missed. They fail to understand not having valid answers to these things is exactly why the 99% decline here is THEIR FAULT, not ENZCs!

After he responds the first thing I want to examine is what he believes his ability to understand and evaluate drug testing results (this will be fun), with detail of his evaluation. I expect to hear "the test data looks great, I don't need to say anything else."

Some highlights though that you point out:

"he has to make Chandra and the Cotropias think that he is going to sue them.""

How funny is it that I get blamed for standing in the way of a fake lawsuit. These losing investors used to love to talk about what a great lawyer C Cotropia is/was. Well does anyone really think that if I see this is a fake lawsuit, and even some ENZC investors can actually see this is a fake lawsuit, that Cotropia doesn't see this already? lol

"Unfortunately, to get that restitution, he has to make Chandra and the Cotropias think that he is going to sue them."
Have some integrity and character TJ. There's a right and a wrong way to do things. 

Have you not been following the ENZC scam?

"I am simply pointing out to you that many of the current ENZC investors are people who invested into BioClonetics, and stayed invested after the merger between BioClonetics and ENZC, because BioClonetics had successfully tested its anti-HIV monoclonal antibody in some labs. These investors were hoping that ENZC-BioClonetics would go on to test the antibody on animals and then humans. These investors did NOT base their initial investments on nothing."

Show me which labs successfully tested anti-HIV monoclonal antibody in some labs?

And what do you consider successful?

If you go to clinicaltrials.gov - post a link to where ENZC-BioClonetics did any FDA approved clinical trials. That is what all real companies post their clinical trials - not some nonsense from Africa or Bulgaria.

Some of the pumpers were constantly posting that ENZC has a cure for HIV-AIDS which isn't true.

To be a successful investor you can't be as gullible as you. Below is a great example.

"Docsetc is trying to get some restitution for these cheated investors. Unfortunately, to get that restitution, he has to make Chandra and the Cotropias think that he is going to sue them. So, why are you trying to expose Docsetc? Why are you interfering in Docsetc's efforts to get restitution?"

Docsetc started talking about a lawsuit almost a year ago.

I have researched hundreds of lawsuits about OTC and it is very rarely successful. Docsetc has been dragging this lawsuit - first it was A Class Action Lawsuit - then it was a business fraud lawsuit and he has posted so much false and misleading information and investors like you believe every word.

Then you post this nonsense: "Unfortunately, to get that restitution, he has to make Chandra and the Cotropias think that he is going to sue them."

So now you admit it is a fake lawsuit.

And docsetc isn't going to scare anyone - Chandra was always part of the scam and docsetc was always posting talking to Chandra and he defended Chandra - so docsetc was a Chandra Pump.

And Cotropia is a Attorney - he is laughing at docsetc and his threats of a lawsuit.

Who is going to pay the law firm and those that pay aren't going to share the settlement with those that didn't pay - be prepared to be solicited for money to pay the still unnamed law firm.

Also it is so easy to file a law suit - docsetc could file a Pro Se' lawsuit to get things started and the mysterious Law Firm could come and file a Amended complaint.

IG

TJ you've been on here for over a year talking about BioClonetics and getting your money back, its NOT happening you've been barking up this tree too long, it's not a winning argument. 

I am simply pointing out to you that many of the current ENZC investors are people who invested into BioClonetics, and stayed invested after the merger between BioClonetics and ENZC, because BioClonetics had successfully tested its anti-HIV monoclonal antibody in some labs. These investors were hoping that ENZC-BioClonetics would go on to test the antibody on animals and then humans. These investors did NOT base their initial investments on nothing.

Now, since Chandra and the Cotropias took this monoclonal antibody out of ENZC and put this antibody into their new companies, we can conclude that there is a strong possibility that this antibody is valuable technology. Since many of the current ENZC investors invested only because of the antibody, these investors were cheated when the antibody was removed from ENZC.

Docsetc is trying to get some restitution for these cheated investors. Unfortunately, to get that restitution, he has to make Chandra and the Cotropias think that he is going to sue them. So, why are you trying to expose Docsetc? Why are you interfering in Docsetc's efforts to get restitution?

Note, I asked for ENZC's data. So by posting a predecessor company's "data" from 8 years ago. So, since you didn't provide what I asked, you are agreeing that ENZC in its history, has never posted a single data point for any of it's "drugs", ever, correct?

Also, can you go through all the PRs, quarterlies, etc and post ALL of the statements by the company showing any progress on this drug. Go ahead! Is there anything other than them mentioned that they exist? I'm talking current progress reports from them, in ANY of the years of ENZC. List them!

That does even remotely send up a red flag to you? This is your understanding of the drug business. A company owns a "drug" for 4 years, and in that time, there is zero verifiable progress, nor does the company release any data on it in four years. And that's okay, in your book?

Let's agree on those points before I address the others.

I invested $200 into BioClonetics Immunotherapeutics in 2017, 3 years BEFORE BioClonetics Immunotherapeutics merged with ENZC. I had never even heard of ENZC when I invested into BioClonetics Immunotherapeutics.

BioClonetics Immunotherapeutics described its anti-HIV monoclonal antibody at the following link:
https://wefunder.com/bioclonetics/details (See the section entitled "Company Overview".)

When BioClonetics Immunotherapeutics merged with ENZC, I had the option of pulling my investment out. But I stayed invested because I believed in the monoclonal antibody and because I was led to believe that ENZC would continue the work on this antibody.

The Cotropias and Chandra took this antibody technology and abandoned ENZC, cheating investors who had invested into BioClonetics Immunotherapeutics and/or ENZC just because of the antibody technology.

Docsetc is trying to pressure the Cotropias and Chandra to give cheated investors some type of restitution, even if that pressuring involves making them think that there will be a lawsuit. Why are you sabotaging Docsetc in his efforts?

We must have different definitions of drug test effectiveness test data published by ENZC.

Show me exactly what you deem to be published by ENZC regarding the above. Show me the ENZC PR referring to the resulting data from their tests of this promising drug/treatment. This should be viewed as beating a dead horse, because anyone should be able to know at this point that nothing that this scam company was "working on" has any progress or any chance of being an approved drug or treatment. (okay I said anyone, but likely docsetc still thinks there is great data backing it up) But, hey, I'll entertain it. Show me!

My god, your damn investment lost 90% (+60 cents to 4 cents) of its value even before the obviously scammy SAGA deal. That's not enough to show you that this was a scam? You still think there is legitimate published ENZC data supporting this but the rest of the medical world missed this, except you and your enzc comrads?

"no data on mAbs of any type"

I invested into BioClonetics Immunotherapeutics (the company owned by the Cotriopias that later merged with ENZC) because the Cotropias had a monoclonal antibody for HIV and that antibody had worked well against HIV in a lab. The Cotropias were looking for investors on Wefunder so that they could have enough money for animal trials and human trials.

So, some of us investors actually invested based on some data.

That's a really good point.

Yet I was here for years when the price was 4 to 12 cents, saying the exact things that eventually came about. No progress, no IPF immune in retail stores, no Covid mAbs progress, no data on mAbs of any type, no ENZC published data on drug effectiveness, and that having so called partners was meaningless except to try to use their names to somehow lend credibility to those that don't see the scam.

What difference does it make why I, you, or anyone else is here? Take a look at the 10 or so stocks that I've posted 200 or more times on. Every single damn one of them is down far more than 99%. And most are down over 99.9% since I started posting on them. What difference does it make why I am here if I am always right about scams?

No one asked some of the pumpers why they were here. Some obviously were paid and part of the SEC case which documents that there were paid promoters on the boards! Why weren't people asking them why they were here? The answer is that if as long as people tell them their investment is great, they don't care why they are posting. Only critical posters are confronted with these questions. BUT, there is a price for doing that... LOSSES! Losses deserved because they put on blinders and literally ignored anyone who dare speak negative about their stock. Instead, meaningless due diligence like docsetc checking to see if their offices actually existed was applauded!

Doc has explicitly stated that he HAS NOT asked any iHub posters/investors for any money.

So, if he is not asking iHub posters/investors for money and if he is trying to bluff Chandra and the Cotropias into giving some kind of settlement to cheated investors, why are you interfering with Doc's efforts to do that?

Also, Chandra and the Cotropias have not sold any stock from their current companies. Why not? Is it because they think that, if they do sell stock, then they can be sued by cheated investors for some of that stock?

Yeah guy. Losing all your money and nut riding a fake lawsuit is way cooler!!! 

"No one can be THAT big of a loser can they?"

They have proven countless times that they are. Being on a board every waking minute when they don't own shares and aren't into the lawsuit is the only signal you need.

Sorry to imply that I have posted the details about the issues. I've only stated that the reasons exist. But, they aren't very technical and don't need legal training to pick up on.

I would post this information, but the issue is that it would inform docsetc and he would either incorporate the issues into his narrative ("my attorney says we will overcome this issue easily as so and so has no idea what they are talking about"), OR, it might convince him to not pursue the lawsuit which I don't want to happen. The main reason I am watching this board now is to out this lawsuit insanity, be entertained by it, and if actually filed (tiny chance) follow its failure.

In addition to those two reasons/issues, yesterday I challenged him to name the basic legal hurdle that he needs to overcome to be able to file 3/4's of his case. The idea that he can't post even the name of that hurdle, shows that there is no genuine progress in filing a lawsuit. If I named the legal hurdle here, once again, he'd just google it and claim of course his team has plans to easily clear that hurdle. So, I'd be feeding him more fodder to fool investors like you. I don't want to help him do that.

I will post this information in time, but likely that will be months from now when/if the docsetc lawsuit effort is considered dead by all here.

Truth is, it is possible you might see some small settlement, but not from docsetc's efforts. No one from the outside will know how likely that is for many months. I won't add to that now either.

I am happy to see at least one shareholder posted that they want to see evidence of progress on the docsetc legal front. This is progress as far as calling out this scam lawsuit effort.

Instead of responses addressing what I have already called him out on, look for more name calling by him towards me and others, which is his way of dealing with the embarrassment of being called out on his scam legal talk here.

"As I hinted in other posts, there are 2 main reasons for this, and either reason is enough for them to reject the case."

For those of us who do not remember and who do not want to look back at a lot of posts, can you please restate these 2 reasons?

Believing silly stuff like this is exactly why you have lost 99% in ENZC, and yet learned nothing!

"the fact this board is still full of bashers with a stock that once hit .90 and is now at .00065 leads me to believe there is hope with Doc's lawsuit."

How long will it take for you to realize there is no lawsuit, nor will there be one from him? 6 months is not enough to tell you. 8? 10? 12? In the meantime count the "Bashers" which as we all know is the proper way to pick quality stocks! lol

Have you asked yourself how many "ENZC longs" you followed here which were part of the pumping effort documented in the SEC charges? Of course not!

Lastly I have to laugh at this one, as it is proof that some do smell the docsetc BS! But still, you worry about bashers?

" that it would be nice to maybe send a mail to just the all the people who signed up for lawsuit so we can get updated on the progress. It would be nice if we were contacted personally so we know the lawsuit is real and not just more people playing head games with this stock."

Nothing concrete is coming from him! You'll get a Chandra type response. Will you see through it? I say no!

You grew up in a classroom with only 5 kids huh? Lol get a lawsuit case number or be quiet trying to change the subject, now that’s “loser” stuff

the fact this board is still full of bashers with a stock that once hit .90 and is now at .00065 leads me to believe there is hope with Doc's lawsuit. Wtf would anybody waste time on this board bashing after it has taken such a beating? No one can be THAT big of a loser can they? I mean if this stock is dead and the lawsuit is BS how many more shovels of dirt do you need throw on it? Unless you feel a zombie acopalyse is eminent and this stock is coming back from the dead? Btw if anyone reads this that pays for private messaging please message Doc that it would be nice to maybe send a mail to just the all the people who signed up for lawsuit so we can get updated on the progress. It would be nice if we were contacted personally so we know the lawsuit is real and not just more people playing head games with this stock.

Here's what I believe what is really happening with docsetc's non-lawsuit. I say this after piecing together his partial truths here.

Most of this legal information is coming from lawyers that his 3rd rate business works with. Likely they are a contract law firm, or something similar, that his business uses. He (and probably many others here) didn't understand that lawyers have specialization, and that his contract law firm has little knowledge of corporate civil law. This accounts for much of his "progress" when he speaks of talking to lawyers and posting "progress". The reality is this firm can't help him much. He is probably getting free but incomplete advice from the firm (since he is a ongoing customer of theirs) or getting the advice very cheaply.

This is ALSO why he is reluctant to post the firm name as he promised a month ago. If he did and we saw they were a contract law firm, anyone would know this "case" is going nowhere.

When he talks about being "referred" to a 2nd firm, this is likely a firm that deals with corporate civil law, but here is where the $$ costs come up. I have no doubts that he has actually spoken to them, and probably paid some fees for their time, but what they likely told him is that he needs at least a $10k retainer to go forward. This is why nothing is happening, and he is frustrated. It's easier to lash out at me and others calling out his 6 month effort with no verifiable progress than to actually put his $ where his big mouth is and actually file the lawsuit.

He has also likely contacted class action law firms who outright rejected the case. As I hinted in other posts, there are 2 main reasons for this, and either reason is enough for them to reject the case.

The lawsuit sign up website, which already existed for another business, was repurposed to handle his silly idea of allowing shareholders to upload "evidence". Likely once again, he used a firm that maintains his 3rd rate business website, to make these half assed updates for a low fee. This is mainly being done to support his crazy idea that this kind of thing shows Cotropia/Chandra that he is "serious" and going forward with a lawsuit. It's actually a sign that he isn't, unless others fork over significant $ to help the legal expenses. The idea that this website is flagged by Norton for having possible viruses, should give anyone pause for even visiting that website!

So, is this exactly what is going on? Not exactly, but you can be sure this is closer to the truth that his ranting "we're getting closer to filing" claims.

In response, instead of posting legal facts, or demonstrating ways that anyone could verify his progress other than his ridiculous ranting letter which none of the parties even signed for, there will be more name calling which is all the frustrated losing investor can do, really. This now, instead of doing any effective due diligence to see this obvious scam years ago, and saving himself many thousands of dollars!

Terry you are too easy to predict!

"Now, instead of addressing these damning facts about his prior posts, see what he does instead. Call us names? In other words, I can't win with logic, so in my frustration, I'll just call you names instead."

Gee, just as predicted! Nothing on a single legal firm discussing "direct business fraud" or "final launch development", but instead name calling!

I see you were onto this lawsuit BS even back in November. This was back in November and he was boasting about " we're finally executing final launch development.""

Go find a single legitimate law firm that uses this term. It's self invented term, it's not a concept used in the legal world. So here we are 5 months after the "final launch development" was executed, and what do we have? Nothing, just like November.

I wish most of the shareholders on this board would just post telling him to stop posting his BS and to not post again under he posts the lawsuit case number (in other words, never post here again). If enough of you did that, I'd stop pointing out this man's insanity here! But if they were naive enough to not figure out this scam years ago, then they are naive enough to think this fool is actually going to file a lawsuit and help them!

And you are 100% correct about genuine class actions, the timing, and how shareholders don't get heavily involved. Almost certainly docsetc was told why the case would fail, so has spun it into this insane plan B, which is nothing more than posturing that he actually will do something legally, himself.

Also 100% correct in pointing out his "direct business fraud" is also legal fiction. The fact he invents and uses this term means he has no understanding of the legal system, period!

A man that thinks message board posts are emails is not going to have the ability to 1) understand the law, or 2) organize the filing of a fraud lawsuit.

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=175388537

Now, instead of addressing these damning facts about his prior posts, see what he does instead. Call us names? In other words, I can't win with logic, so in my frustration, I'll just call you names instead.

Nobody who actually signed up for this fake ENZC lawsuit has demanded an update or they don't seem to care, but just like ENZC if they are willing to get scammed once they will be scammed again and they know it's a Hail Mary attempt! 
No one with common sense would have submitted their personal information to a black hole. It's mind blowing 

Once again, his "updates" about "progress" on the case read like a pink sheet PR. So now the progress is "we're signed and 'underway'"? In other words, this time we really really really really mean it, we're moving forward on this.

So it took 6 months to get "signed and underway"? Of course, with an unnamed firm after he posted on this very board that he'd be posting the law firm name by a deadline of WEEKS ago! 6 months? For this?

Can we be any more vague? This is a step away from "we're working in silence, ready to disrupt the drug business" (Chandra) No one is buying this, are they?

Just keep in mind, every time you read an update about the so called ENZC case... the update is coming from someone that doesn't understand the difference between emails and posts on a message board.

I'm trying to think of how he is eventually going to bow out of this. What excuse will he use? How about "not enough other investors showed interest, so my 'legal team' advised me not to go forward with the lawsuit". There, use that one! Free!

Keep dragging your feet and dangling the carrot with another lame ass excuse.
Well, if you had joined our group, you'd have known our case was referred to a second firm since it was going to take more securities fraud experience. We informed everyone who has signed up this setback was frustrating, but not a showstopper. Now we're signed and underway.

That is complete bullshit - you have been exposed as a front loading pumper, serial scammer and a conman.

IG

Great post!
Class action lawsuits against companies are typically filed in days, not in half years. From the start, docsetc has gone out of is way to SOUND tough while being as brave as a mouse as far as backing up his tough words. First, he could have filed a lawsuit, months ago.

Everything docsetc posted about the fake lawsuit is absurd.

IG

Thank you to those that did this! You made my day! Look at it this way, he now has more things to keep himself busy rather than filing a lawsuit! Instead, now he can add weeding out joke "evidence" and deleting things to the list of things he is doing that means he is serious about this lawsuit! lol

I just love how you proudly say you "deleted" these things, as if you prevailed here! As if by saying this, no one will upload this kind of content any longer! And the idea that AI is helping this effort might be the most silliest thing I have read this year! Another example of you posturing, as in, "I'm using AI to remove this spam, it's not really taking me any effort", when the truth is you personally are there going through all this crap.

If you were smart, you wouldn't mention anything about this, to avoid drawing attention to it. Instead now you are inviting more to join in! lol


. Some jerks put in nonsense, probably Chandra pimps, and that's getting AI-filtered out of our list now. A few people uploaded unknown file formats as part of the evidence collection, probably viruses and typical hacker nonsense, that has been deleted.

Everything, docsetc has said about his "lawsuit" reeks of someone trying to posture as being tough with no intention to follow up and actually do anything!

Can I try to bring some reality to this?

1) Class action lawsuits against companies are typically filed in days, not in half years. From the start, docsetc has gone out of is way to SOUND tough while being as brave as a mouse as far as backing up his tough words. First, he could have filed a lawsuit, months ago. The only concrete thing he has done so far was to write a practically unheard of pre-pre lawsuit letter, which was totally ineffective (there is zero evidence of the execs even receiving the letter). This SCREAMS I'm too afraid and don't have the money to actually fund the lawsuit.

2) He claimed in his ranting letter that he was trying to be nice in order to negotiate. BS! Someone wanting to negotiate does so out of strength not weakness. You can't play "nice guy" to people you are accusing of wrongdoing that you want to make them pay you! You can and could have filed the damn lawsuit, showing you mean business, and then negotiate. Sending them a nice pre-pre lawsuit threat letter which apparently was not even accepted by any of the parties is doing anything but that. You don't even know if these people have even read your stupid weak letter.

3) The idea that you, yourself went and had that silly "lawsuit sign up" website built, complete with the ability to "upload evidence", is completely crazy, and is another sign that nothing is going to happen here. Go ahead, find any shareholder lawsuit in the past 5 years that created a website to "upload evidence", and show me the links here. This is being done out of weakness. My take is likely you have spent SOME $ to speak to legal firms, and they told you that you have no case unless you have better evidence. The idea that some shareholder on this message board, or any other reader, is going to have meaningful "evidence" to send you that is going to matter is purely laughable. Again, this is just a poor attempt at posturing, trying to show you "mean business" except doing everything but the real sign of meaning business, filing a lawsuit.

The more I look at what you have done, and haven't done here, it becomes more obvious of how you want to do everything possible to avoid actually having a firm file a lawsuit on your behalf. I fully understand that your fellow foolish ENZC shareholders (the same people who couldn't see this obvious scam years ago) don't see through your insanity. But if I can see through it, likely the targets of your threatened lawsuit see it too, and are likely laughing at your efforts.

Likely the firms you have contacted have either rejected the case outright, told you that it's a poor case but they'd file it if you put up the $$ to cover the entire legal effort, which you haven't. I'm sure a firm or two that you paid for some hours of work has "advised" you. Likely you don't have the knowledge to understand what they are telling you or misinterpreted what they told you.

How about this. Show us all that you actually are serious and file the damn lawsuit! It's going on 7 months here of you posturing and sounding tough.

I challenge you NOW to name a date, any date, that you'd admit, if there was no lawsuit filed by then, it isn't going to happen! So, give us that date!

I doubt you will, as you naively think this posturing is going to get you somewhere! I will continue to out your weak ineffective posturing here on this board, just like I outed ENZC as a scam for years here, while you posted your "great finds" that the company was "real" because they had real offices!

Nobody cares

Sorry ItsG, I replied to this before but evidently the powers to be did not like my vernacular. Please go back to your corner, put on your dunce hat and continue playing with the keys, or whatever else you get ahold of. Enjoy your day.
Coz

Anyone know if Mr Wanna-be Lawyer at least said that he had receipts of delivery of his ranting letter to the ENZC execs (sure he could have lied to save face, no doubt)? I see all sorts of excuses for not getting receipt that the letters were signed for, and claiming that this would happen soon, but it is possible that he just stopped discussing it because he didn't even get one receipt?

And you are attacking a poster that helped expose you as a serial Scammer and conman.

The fake lawsuit is hilarious - odd that you haven't named the law firm or how much the "group" has paid the law firm and who is in this mysterious "group".

Why hasn't a lawsuit been filed and what court has the fake lawsuit been filed?

You are the worst kind of person - a pathological liar - a pumper who has cost investors a great deal of money - you and the pumping idiot BonnieMac.

Both of you should be in prison - especially you.

IG

If anyone actually contributed $ to docsetc's supposed ENZC "lawsuit" effort, have you considered the idea given that no lawsuit has been filed after 6 months, that this entire thing could be scam to use a fake lawsuit to get contributions, and you've been scammed again? So far we've seen nothing but a ranting self absorbed letter, which screams "crazy" to the reader... and that was 6 months ago! That's it so far!

As I said, tell me, if 6 months of effort without a lawsuit isn't enough time to make you suspicious, how long would it take until you were? 8 months? 10 months? Just tell me. There are no wrong answers.

6 months later, how's the lawsuit going @Cozumel Kid? You really have some nerve LOL

Don't throw rocks and hide your hand, speak up!

PATHETIC! @Cozumel Kid This is you from OCTOBER 2024! Don't fix your mouth to say anything snarky on here after what you've done and said on this board for years, go hide out like BonnieMac.

Cozumel requesting to donate to the fake lawsuit

"I really suspect you're going to be shocked and in hiding, once you see how this turns out."

We've been waiting for you to prove us wrong and shut us up but you cant because your running a scam

@Cozumel Kid, @Davehoser and a few gullible others are letting you run a muck, it's pathetic

Hey Big Talk, I am a fan of pumper_stumper they post facts unlike you who only posts disinformation to enrich yourself?

When are you going to name the law firm?

When are you going to provide the details on how much the Law Firm has been paid by your "group" - who is the group another nebulous terms you throw out.

Why can't you provide any information that can be independently verified - I know the answer - it is because there isn't lawsuit - everything about you is fake because you are a conman.

IG

"I have a science background, and my daughter, newly crowned PhD biology doctor,"

Did you somehow not ask her to take a look at the Chandra's claims of immutable Covid targets as far as reasonable target for a cure/treatment?

NO COMPENTENT PhD biologist would even hesitate to quickly tell you why that claim is BS as far as creating an marketable antibody to attack the immutable virus area, and why it isn't practical.

So, did you even bother to ask her? If you did ask, and she didn't know this, then she is incompetent, period. Or did she warn you and you dismissed her advice?

Did you even ask her to look at the lack of scientific results posted, ever, by ENZC? She wasn't smart enough to see the total lack of science and couldn't warn you?

Or like your fake lawsuit, did you invent a fake PhD in biology for her?

Tell us all!

PS, if you want to ask her again, post her answer here. If she, with her "PhD" still doesn't know the answer, I'll educate her, but only after she admits not being having the knowledge.

How much has your group paid - and what is the name of the Law Firm who your "group" paid?

Why hasn't a Lawsuit been filed and which Court has the fake lawsuit been filed?

You have posted so much about the lawsuit it proves you don't know anything about the legal system - you have posted so much misinformation that it proves you are a conman - serial scammer.

Everything about the fake lawsuit is veiled in a shroud of secrecy.

First there was 5 law firms begging you to take the case. LMAO!

Nothing you have posted has been truthful.

First you were a pumper slobbering on the insiders to get others to invest - then you come up with the fake lawsuit - you have committed Securities Fraud and need to be in prison.

IG

When you're right, you're right! This is an example of proper due diligence paying off!

"To those idiots who think this was a penny stock fraud, oversold and pumped up, I've been to the Texas A&M Facility, and their lab is there. The offices in the EU and in Plano, TX and San Diego, CA, are there."

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=162290647

Ironic isn't it? You, supposedly suing them for fraud now, yet back then, calling those who CORRECTLY saw this as a fraud, "idiots". Has there ever been a better, more just example of irony, ever? lol

The idea of stopping by a lab, seeing it exists as being some kind of valuable due diligence, borders on pure insanity! THIS is how you end up losing 99.99% of your investment! THIS kind of thinking! Perhaps, just perhaps, maybe what is not going in INSIDE the lab is more important than verifying if one simply exists? I know, that's crazy, right? lol

Wouldn't it have been easier, and more financially prudent to try to educate yourself back then and see the lack of proven science and lack of meaningful, verifiable progress on anything, rather than inventing random dream calls of "21 cent hard floors", reducing you to now having to spend 6 months trying to convince others that you are working on a lawsuit?