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Look…here’s the deal—my best friend’s second cousin told me her adopted dog’s original master found a phone number on a bathroom wall that belongs to a Quantum investor who heard three additional successful installations have taken place somewhere north of Houston. With that new information, I’m especially willing to wager anything you’d like and to let you choose the referee!

On a serious note, I’m curious if you really do believe the announced distributorships are lies?

Announcing fake agreements with the likes of Romel Canete and Keith Masserant seems like an odd strategy for Quantum. Even if the agreements are real, but the purpose behind them is merely a charade…that too seems like an odd strategy. These businessmen Quantum has chosen to deal with would neither accept their names being paraded about falsely, nor would they accept nonsensical delays in Quantum’s dealings with distributors.

In short, it’s one thing to prey on “little guys,” but it’s something else to step into this arena. Setting the efficacy of the technology itself aside, this strategy just seems so bizarre…

Mr. Bystander: Your proposal of a wager is interesting, but it would take some discussion to work out a wager that was clear enough to be decided one way or another. ("A lot" of installations is rather vague!) Also we would have to agree to an impartial referee to determine the winner after the 12 months were up. Obviously the prize for the winner would have to be something a lot more useful than a "Photon Engine" to make the wager worth all the trouble.

Hi Mr Dorick, you think ~12months? I don't know, nearly 6years ago all who had a basic grasp of physics were gobsmacked at the "inductance energy earth engine " claims, which of course were utterly ridiculous. Everyone assumed a rapid demise but it reappeared several years later as the "photon engine", equally preposterous and he is still at it. He is a slippery dude, as is obvious from his legal history and it is hard to predict what may happen. I would never have believed the magnet contraption from nearly 6years ago would still be here in some form today.

Mr Curious Bystander, i'll bet you a "Dorick Doohickey" that there will only be token installations, these with the sole purpose of ensnaring further investors.

Hahaha! You really do crack me up. I know you’re not as ornery as you sound.

Your comments never leave me speechless. Why? Because I’m not nearly as naive as you think— I smiled when I hit “submit” knowing you would have paragraph’s of fun with my extrapolations.

Yes, I do think there will be a lot of installations within the next 12 months. I’ll bet you a Photon Engine that I’m right.

Mr. Bystander: As usual, your comment leaves me speechless. A pathological liar who has lied his head off to the whole world for the past five years now claims to have sales offices all over the country, and you accept it as a fact, just as you accepted the supposed million-dollar deals with phantom "distributors" as a fact. An acquaintance tells you that a Quantum salesperson approached a certain contractor in his area. You have no idea whether any deal resulted. Yet you extrapolate from this that "there will be a lot of installations within the next 12 months!" Well, I predict that Danzik's long-running scam will finally collapse within the next 12 months, as people like Mr. S experience the consequences of making deals with a charlatan.

Hi MagnetLover. I just re-read my post and can see that I should have worded it differently. I apologize for that.

By “big” and “little” I was referring to how deep a distributor/contractor’s pockets are, not to the actual size or legitimacy of the company. I have an acquaintance who knows of a very reputable contractor in his locale that has considered (maybe already locked down) a much lower-priced contract to install in his area. The contractor was approached by a Quantum salesperson.

Knowing that this type of solicitation was done in that area tells me it must be happening all over the US as Quantum has many sales “offices.” It’s for that reason that I do think there will be a lot of installations within the next 12 months. My acquaintance has a very good relationship with the contractor I referenced, and I’m sure you can tell by now that I ask a lot of questions. I just haven’t followed up to see if it’s now a “done deal.”

Regarding your list of distributors who have been named in pr’s, I totally agree with your assessment. Ironically, the “smaller” contractor my acquaintance told me about could technically be defined as more legit, as they have been considered an extremely reputable contractor in their area for years as opposed to being some newly-formed entity.

Yep, they all seem to be fake apart from Aesir, whose web page is devoid of information.

Hi Bystander, can you give more info on how advanced their distributor selection process is? I haven't seen any legitimate "big guy" in their distributors. None of their "big names" released seems to be legit, but rather are name alterations of well known entities in the space.

AESIR Energy, LLC
Ontario Energy Systems, LTD
BD Energy Solutions, LLC
Viridis Energy Partners, Inc.
ARC Energy, Inc.

I guess that might work with a few customers. But they really are rounding up distributors (electrical contractors). I know this to be a fact. And they are rounding up a lot of them…not just big guys who are paying large sums of money upfront for massive territory rights, little guys too.

Quite correct, Mr Curious Bystander, it would take a miracle/divine intervention for Danzik's ideas to work. Personally i don't believe in miracles, but that is me and i don't ask anyone to accept my ideas. I believe in science.

Your points are well taken.
But you gotta understand…until that final nail is hammered into the coffin, I’ll be prayin’ for a miracle.

From the “Terms of Use” agreement—
“…you agree that you will not upload, share, post… [information] that:
Is unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libelous, vulgar, hateful, deceptive, fraudulent, invasive of another's privacy…”


The board moderators felt Danzik was in breach of the agreement for invading MJ16’s privacy. On the other hand, they appear to have concluded that Dorick (and others) are not engaging in a mere character smear campaign which would be against the rules.

I hear what you’re saying Mr S. However, Investorhub has a right to set the rules for their forum. And their rules specifically state that doxing is not permissible. What is permissible is posting things anonymously. You can discuss at great lengths whether or not doing so is ethical, but that’s not the point. The point is that it is permissible. I agree that slandering a person or company can have legal repercussions.

There is a “Terms of Service” agreement we all signed prior to being eligible to post on this board. Contained in that agreement are steps Danzik could take if he thinks he was wrongly banned from posting information.

Mr. S: As recently as April 2023, Dustin Hamby told investors (at Planet MicroCap) that Quantum's "Direct Energy System" "doesn’t have to have the sun, the wind, or any other fuel source to generate that electricity.” And he said "We don’t have to have transmission lines, because we’re creating the power where it’s consumed. We don’t need any sun, wind, hydro, it’s just the pairing of the permanent magnets.” That's why I asked you what sort of heat the new "thermal receivers" are supposed to utilize. Is it heat from the sun, by any chance? Was Dustin Hamby "spreading misinformation?" Oh dear!

Doxing is not illegal. It is only illegal if you have exposed an elected officials or other restricted information. Danzik is the hero. No one should be allowed to be anonymous and spread misinformation. Remember that Doxing IS ILLEGAL if it leads to harassment, threats, loss of income or reputation damage. It is a two way street. Doxing is also information. Always use caution when making a criminal or civil accusation on the web. It can come back to bite you, and hard.

It may not be your intent. But many of your posts come across that way. Not just yours…others as well. The truth is I understand your frustration when considering your background and Quantum’s history (same with others). I’m just saying that from my experience, as painful as it can be at times, a gentler tone in a forum like this can get you more traction for whatever you’re doing behind the scenes. People who like to talk will share a lot of things they aren’t “supposed to.”

Curious Bystander with ref to #2221, there can be no question that it is a scam. If you accept (1) magnets are not a source of energy, (2) the energy obtainable from indoor photovoltaics is negligible, both of which can be assured by a professional, then Danzik's stuff is utterly worthless. I reckon he will just try to milk it for as long as possible before moving on to his next "invention", maybe the Danzik turboencabulator or the Danzik discombobulator. Just look at his history, does not inspire confidence.

Mr. Bystander: What "fistfight?" With whom? What are you talking about?

You could have potentially garnered additional info to further your endeavors. But instead you prefer a fistfight.

I’m not saying you’re a bad guy. We obviously have different life experiences. Mine have taught me that walking certain paths pays off in the end. Yours has obviously taught you otherwise.

Mr. Bystander: So by calling people "gullible" sometimes, I've actually prevented other people from posting informative and meaningful comments! Got it. Okay, I won't use the "g-word" with its magical comment-stopping powers any more. And of course its actually a great tragedy that Con Artist Danzik's malicious misconduct left him unable to repeat his BLATANT LIES and FALSE CLAIMS and promote his "MAGNETIC PROPULSION" SCAM on this site while pretending to be filing lawsuits against people who spoke the truth about Quantum's SECURITIES FRAUD. Investors collectively have been defrauded out of tens of millions of dollars by Danzik's SCAM - but that's nothing compared to calling people "gullible" - I'm the bad guy here.

Danzik actually unmasked MJ16. Which is not acceptable. You are not allowed to post anyone’s name, address, etc. If you are reported for doing that you will be kicked off. Someone reported Danzik and it was adios amigo.
You’re welcome to share your own info. Just not someone else’s.

I guess that might work with a few customers. But they really are rounding up distributors (electrical contractors). I know this to be a fact. And they are rounding up a lot of them…not just big guys who are paying large sums of money upfront for massive territory rights, little guys too. Believe it or not, it’s very possible there could be gobs of installations within the next 12 months. On a mass scale what you are suggesting would be a recipe for disaster—the cumulative losses would be a glaring problem. And this is why if it’s a scam I think it’s so bizarre (as I’ve stated in previous posts) that they have moved to this stage—they would have been much better off continuing to improve the system. Besides the massive losses, mass installations would put the system into too many hands, and at some point a customer would end up being a Dorick who would not sit idly by if something didn’t smell
right.

Honestly, I did get ultra annoyed with Danzik’s constant attempt to uncover your identity. Aside from that, I think his presence here was a good thing. I’m no engineer, you know that by now, but I do understand human behavior. And one thing I know is that some people like to talk. If you’re cordial (which you occasionally call being “gullible”), you can sometimes pull helpful nuggets out of a whole pile of talk. On that note, if people back off a bit this board may actually attract investors/customers who are willing to share some “what’s, where’s, and when’s” that aren’t available in a pr. “Backing off” doesn’t mean not standing by your position, it means not insulting the intelligence of folks who may have something meaningful to share.

Could someone tell me how MJ16 unmasked Danzik?

Indeed i blundered. Thank you, Mr Dorick for the correction and apologies to MJ16 for my error.

Mr. Bystander: I believe that Mr. PC's analysis is correct. The difference with the one-dollar pizza business is that Danzik can say to investors (privately): "Sure, we're losing a bit of money at the moment, but that's just because we still have to iron out a few little wrinkles in our thermal-magnetophotonic energy-amplification system, which works perfectly except for a few minor issues. As soon as that component is rolled out to customers, we'll be raking in some huge profits!"

Mr. PC: You made a slight mistake and gave me the credit for MJ16's comment. MJ16 is something of a hero - he got Danzik banned from commenting on this site for unmasking him - that was a HUGE public service. Now he can't pretend to be filing a lawsuit every time we point out that Quantum's false claims amount to SECURITIES FRAUD.

It’s true this would produce happy customers. However, it’s a scheme that wouldn’t last for long as financials would eventually reveal the truth. As an example, if a pizza joint was continually selling large pizzas for one dollar to happy customers, it wouldn’t matter how much money it borrowed to keep the business afloat the financials would eventually reveal the ongoing quarterly net losses.

One thing I’ve learned about the company from closely watching its actions over the years, is that it is not afraid to search out and use government “handouts” (including tax deductions) to its advantage. It is for this reason that I’m curious how much a tax deduction is factored into the claimed ROI for an installed system. I’ve seen many situations with other products over the years where the only true value was in the tax deduction. All countries don’t have similar tax laws, however, so if Quantum is truly installing overseas my question may be a moot point…

The way things work is, i believe, as follows: Quantum does some installations which provide no benefit but Quantum absorbs the losses and in the process produce a "happy customer". Happy customers are used to encourage investors whose money can be used to perpetuate the process. A Ponzi scheme of sorts.

Indeed Mr Dorick, i had intended to make a similar comment but there was so much other nonsense to address that i forgot. Lithography is primarily a printing process and as regards "deposition", all semiconductors are manufactured by vapour/gas deposition on the substrate. So nothing new here. Again i must point out the lies being propagated in the website you alluded to: a maximum of 4% can be recovered with all surfaces covered in panels, NOT 50%. Can you imagine the difficulties of having the floor covered in photovoltaics?

Quantum does not install "solar panels" indoors. The technology is lithography and deposition based, not silicon based.

So what are they made of? Lithography and deposition are manufacturing processes not a material.

https://qree.energy/photon_power.html

Investor funded... I frankly don't really care about how the system is funded nor how the contracts are structured to hide the true economics of the solution.

What I want to know:
1/ What is the cost of the panels.
2/ How much of energy they generate
3/ Their life expectancy

I can figure out the rest. But of course, this information is nowhere to be found. I know I will be told again "go ask Danzik, meet the team" but I am sorry... This info would be on a spec sheet in any real company

I am very dubious of your statements, Mr Szilard. No half competent engineer would accept the waffle that Danzik comes out with. There are some things which are inherently impossible, regardless of technology. An example is: can you levitate by pulling hard on your shoelaces? Of course you cannot. Danzik's claims, framed in atrocious misuse of scientific terms, fall into the category of "inherently impossible". First we had the "earth engine", a stand alone generator which failed to function and replaced by the "photon engine" and now we have "heat receivers", whatever that is meant to mean. What's next? The only way to produce energy on site is (1) a hydrocarbon burning engine, (2) a wind turbine or (3) exterior solar cells. You can call them direct energy, autonomous energy or any thing else you want but they are the ONLY way to do it.

I think Mr S is a genuinely good guy who is simply trying to protect an investment decision he made based off information obtained from face-to-face interactions. His personality is one where he will put just as much passion into “going after” Quantum if things don’t work out, as he puts into defending them during this stage of the process. And for that reason I love the fact that he has (or will soon have) a system.

I have literally been on tours at Quantum that lasted 5 hours plus and right along side me were professional engineers, contractors, other investors and university professors. None of the raised any concerns (and it is all open format). I think you are under some wild interpretation on what a direct energy system is and how it operates.

Why don't you go on a tour? Then you can at least speak for a legitimate point of view.

Mr. Bystander: It's easier to pull spikes out of railroad ties than to get clear information from Mr. S. But the answer to your final question seems to be that instead of an electric bill from a utility company, he will now pay an equipment bill from Quantum instead, which will only amount to 62% of his current electric bill. So he will save an amount equal to 38% of his current electric bill every month. He says "once my system is installed my electric bill is paid under the contract." Is the utility company going to send the bill to Quantum? Of course not, they will send it to Mr. S and then Mr. S will have to send it to Quantum. Without installing solar panels outdoors (which Mr. S never mentioned as being part of the system) the only way for Quantum to break even would be to install a whole lot of "thermal receivers" along with a steam turbine to generate electricity. What will Quantum do if it turns out that they can't make a profit under the terms of the agreement? This might not go quite as smoothly as Mr. S imagines.

Thank you again for responding. I’m glad to know of someone who actually has an installed system. I look forward to your honest feedback after the 30-45 days that you mentioned.

Are you able to explain what it means when you say your system is “investor funded”?

Here’s my interpretation of your statement…correct me if I’m wrong—

You have a 20yr fixed monthly cost. There are other costs that are being covered by Quantum directly (indirectly by investors). As a business owner, you could have taken on those extra costs and written some (or all) of them off but you chose not to.

If what I’m saying is correct, are the extra costs just the labor for installation? Also, are you part of a beta program, and is that the reason you were given the option to have certain costs “investor funded”?

Lastly, is the potential tax deduction (combined with the assumption you will have no additional equipment costs over the next 20 years) the only thing that makes the system worthwhile from a point of ROI? In other words, if certain costs weren’t investor funded and there was no tax deduction would there be any monetary benefit to Quantum’s system?

Mr Szilard, i am not claiming to be dispensing wisdom. I am simply stating the basic laws of the physics involved in energy analysis. But hey, don't listen to a word i say, for all you know about me i could be a total nutjob: seek a professional fully independent appraisal of what Danzik is spouting and you will be in for a major shock.

A small room 5mx 4m by 2m in height illuminated by four 11.5w led sources. In this room 76 square metres of panels would return a maximum of 2watts. Not remotely feasible.

Mr Dorick, an excellent synopsis, thank you. Mr Szilard ask me any technical question you may want answered. I can't claim to answer everything but i will try my best. There is , however no point in asking me about the terms that Danzik uses as they are basically mumbo-jumbo word salad.

Mr. S: Try to look at the situation from our point of view. For years Danzik claimed that the "Earth Engine" would magically produce electricity from "paired permanent magnets," with no mention of any need for any input "control voltage." It was supposed to be powered ENTIRELY by magnets. Then the "Earth Engine" became the "Photon Engine," and it was admitted that the "Engine" did require a "very small" so-called "control voltage" - but that was just to power the computer - and Danzik claimed the "Engine" would "amplify" that energy, as he said not only in videos, but in a press release. Danzik still referred to the magnets as "fuel blocks." The solar cells absurdly installed indoors would only need to provide the "control voltage" to "reduce the parasitic draw on our control systems," as Dustin Hamby told the investors at Planet MicroCap. The "engine" was still powered by Asymmetric Magnetic Propulsion, we were told. But that was all a lie, because in fact the "engine" is entirely powered by the electricity of that "control voltage," and the system will actually produce less electricity than it consumes, and not more. And it was obvious to us that the absurd "photonics" plan to harvest indoor light would only supply an insignificant amount of electricity to be stored (not "amplified") by the system. But for over a year, that was the whole plan, and there was no mention of any "thermal receiver." But now you seem to be telling us that the story has changed once again, and now Danzik is admitting that the indoor "photonics" will not suffice, and he needs to go outside and harvest outdoor heat energy. So what kind of heat does the "thermal receiver" receive? Well of course it CAN'T be solar heat, because Danzik and Quantum told us for years that the system would generate electricity 24/7 anywhere in the world! Hamby said so again at Planet MicroCap! Is that why you don't want to talk about the "thermal receiver?" Are you hesitant to reveal the disappointing minor detail that the "thermal receiver" is actually going to receive solar heat, which is certainly not 24/7?

I am more interested in reading the description from "retired". He is spouting all of this "wisdom". Without actual knowledge of how the system works?

Personally i don't believe a word of what Mr Szilard is saying as there is negligible energy that can be harvested indoors. "Thermal receiver" is more of the word salad that Danzik utters.

I kept it simple. I talked to other customers, and Quantum works with professional engineers and the distributor in my State is a long time operator and has a superior reputation. General contractor and is an electrical contractor.

Mr. S: You're right - I never heard of any "thermal receiver" in Danzik's system before. Why don't you explain it to us and give us the details instead of quizzing people about it?

Just simply describe the Quantum photonic and thermal receiver. Just a generalization. I want to see if you know what you are talking about. Just general size, voltage output, etc.

Also, all of my retrofit and install went through a third party engineering company that works with Quantum. All stamped drawings. My distributor has been in business for many decades and is one of the best contractors in my State.

Again, your total lack of knowledge is showing. You have no knowledge of the thermal receiver, or the photonic system. No, once my system is installed my electric bill is paid under the contract.

Mr. S: A panel of a photovoltaic cells is commonly known as a "solar panel," no matter whether you or Scammer Danzik refuse to admit that it's a solar panel. I never mentioned silicon. I never said the system powered lights directly. You distinguished in your comment between grid-delivered lighting and off the grid lighting, and I still don't understand why. Danzik repeatedly stated on this forum over a year ago that he had filed a lawsuit against me for supposedly defaming him. Those statements of his were lies, of course. He never filed any lawsuit. There is no way in the world that Danzik's system could reduce your electric bill by 38%, unless it includes a lot of OUTDOOR solar panels. But actually you don't seem to be claiming that. You seem to be saying that you'll have to pay an equipment bill equal to 62% of your current electric bill, but on top of that you'll still have to pay an electric bill, if I understand correctly. So in order to break even, you would have to reduce your electric bill by 62%!

Nonsense, Mr Szilard. 4% is the absolute max return with ALL floors, walls and ceiling covered with panels and miles of cabling. Have you sought the opinion of a professional engineer/physicist or do you simply accept all that Danzik dishes out?

Thank you for answering my question Mr S. We look forward to hearing the results of the survey. Are you having an unbiased party also survey the system’s efficacy?

My system is investor funded, as I do not need the tax benefits at this time. Zero cost to me other than my monthly equipment payment which is fixed for 240 months and is 38% lower than my current electric bill.

You should call and get information. It is a very high quality system, many parts are worldwide brands, and their distributors are licensed contractors.