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TLCO Discussion

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Fugu Fugu 7 years ago
Yeah well something possibly happening or someone pumping? Spread is insane as per norm.
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ktcougar ktcougar 7 years ago
Last trade before today was on 5/30....guess we'll see....

11:23:02 0.21 4200 OTO
11:19:57 0.21 4925 OTO
11:01:45 0.228 2350 OTO
11:01:35 0.228 2500 OTO
05/30 0.0256 4300 OTO


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Fugu Fugu 7 years ago
Yeah very, coming back from the dead? This is a lot of vol outta nowhere.
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ktcougar ktcougar 7 years ago
Getting some nibbles on the ask here....strange.

kt
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$hellKing $hellKing 7 years ago
Yup i hear you. Things never go as expected. They still have supreme court they could go to.
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ktcougar ktcougar 7 years ago
It happens...that's why it's a lotto. I'll throw it in the corner with my other bagholders.

kt
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$hellKing $hellKing 7 years ago
Looks that way. Totally sucks.... so pissed. bought some .25s other day too and had a bunch from last year........
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adijas adijas 7 years ago
Yes, it is disappointing they lost, but court cases can be won and lost. That's the risk.
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Axel Axel 7 years ago
Nice performance TLCO....
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ktcougar ktcougar 7 years ago
Trading like they might have lost the appeal. I grabbed a few .30 lottos a few weeks ago so I hope not.

kt
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Axel Axel 7 years ago
Hello TLCO
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STOCKPICKER4LIFE STOCKPICKER4LIFE 8 years ago
OK thanks for the clarification.
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adijas adijas 8 years ago
In the Netherlands we mention the day first, so this is from March 9th. The court already ruled in favor of TLCO. Now there will be an appeal. As far as I know, documents should be delivered to the court by now. But I didn't have contact for some time. Will try again next week or so.
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STOCKPICKER4LIFE STOCKPICKER4LIFE 8 years ago
Hi have you head from the CEO? I saw. On their website from 9-3-16 they mention damages assessment procedure. Civil case.
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Axel Axel 8 years ago
Hello TLCO
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Axel Axel 8 years ago
A few more weeks and I'm the one hitting....
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
I might try to bid for some and in case anyone plans on selling at least put a sell above the bid for a little while instead of whacking. Im sure someone would take .25 .30
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
I thought something would of came in the past month. Normally I dont like to hold these for that long but I guess I sort of got a connection to this one. Plus no way in hell Im selling anything close to where its at now.
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Axel Axel 8 years ago
Wake me up when these doldrums end...
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
Oh.lol Im not up to speed on all the lingo. Cant wait til we get to the Egyptian language. Maybe we can post a symbol and it means a paragraph worth of words.lol


We are in a lot of hidden special ones. Cant wait for TLCO and COSG to make it soon
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Fugu Fugu 8 years ago
Those question marks were thumbs up lol not sure about paying for I hub sub after that!!
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Fugu Fugu 8 years ago
Yes, whacking finished for the time being. Thanks for the pm, I'm a freebie or cheapie lol but appreciate the info.. ??
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
LOoks like the whacking stopped. Might be going up from now on.
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Fugu Fugu 8 years ago
Bid keeps creeping up, hopefully get an update here soon.
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
It sucks I still got my shares. Im trying not to think about it and loosen my conscious grip. Sometimes that allows for the energy of a stock to move.
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Axel Axel 8 years ago
Already three months ago now...
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
Nice they are making up ground quick. Its smart to attack it like this. These guys are go getters.
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adijas adijas 8 years ago
Could be. One thing is for sure: they are attacking right now and trying to force retailers to implement Ageviewers through various canals.
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
Wow thats pretty cool. Sounds like business resumption has commenced.


Looks like they have only once place to go and its in the hands of TLCO
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adijas adijas 8 years ago
Nice, so basically they say to all the cities: you are responsible for preventing alcohol and you made arrangements with CBL that are not valid and now yoy have to reconsider that arrangement. In other words: make a deal with us!
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
04-05-2016
Letter to all congregations: Revision appointments alcohol policy

Dear Members of the Board, Dear College,

As of January 1, 2013, the mayor is responsible for monitoring compliance with the Licensing and Catering within your community.

In addition, the City Council adopted a preventive maintenance plan and alcohol. This plan contains the main points of the policy on the prevention of alcohol consumption, particularly among young people, and the enforcement of the law.

In your municipality alcohol is provided through various channels: supermarkets, liquor stores, restaurants, sports canteens, convenience stores and snack bars. More than 70% of all alcohol consumed in the Netherlands is provided by the supermarkets. This supermarkets are by far the most important sales channel for alcohol. [1]

In the prevention and enforcement plan alcohol in your community is therefore rightly paid attention to compliance with the age limit by retailers. Often, in this context, agreements with local supermarkets. When making agreements regarding compliance with the age limit base these supermarkets on the Code responsible alcohol sales at the supermarket "of their trade association, the Food Retail Association (CBL).

Beginning in March 2016, the Court of The Hague CBL convicted of breach of the prohibition. According to the Court have made agreements that had the scope to exclude the use of the age control Ageviewers in the supermarket sector and the Code responsible alcohol sales in supermarkets' scope to restrict competition in the field of carrying out age checks. On that basis, the Court has annulled the Code. [2]

In August 2012, the CBL has sent you a letter, which refers explicitly to the Code responsible alcohol sales at the supermarket. " Literally the next CBL gives in this letter:

This Code describes how supermarket chains give substance to the legal requirements and rules arising from self-regulation. All members of the CBL endorse this Code. We believe that the Code offers clues to enter into conversation with the supermarkets in your town and can help you in setting up and running your enforcement. [3]

The judgment of the Court of The Hague has the effect that the Code has been declared invalid retroactively. Legally speaking, the Code deemed never to have existed. That has the necessary impact on the age audit of the supermarket sector. Namely the Code is the foundation from under the arrangements made by the supermarkets connected with your community in the CBL regarding compliance with the age limit.

The company behind Ageviewers, the HIM has a lot of damage suffered by the cartel of the supermarket sector. The Court of The Hague has ruled that the CBL is liable for damages ordered against the HEM and CBL to pay the damage suffered by him.

The CBL is the letter of August 2012 not rectified to you, despite the judgment of the Court of The Hague. To minimize the damage to our business, we will send you this letter.

The agreements between your church and supermarkets regarding compliance with the age limit for the sale of alcohol should be revised, if it turns out that these agreements are based on the annulled 'code responsible alcohol sales at the supermarket. "

The alcohol prevention and enforcement plan should be reviewed by your municipality, if it appears that the age audit of the local supermarkets is based on the annulled 'code responsible alcohol sales at the supermarket. "

If you would like more information about the judgment of the Court of The Hague, or if you want to know how the sale of alcohol within your community can be guided in adult courts, please contact Ageviewers via telephone or email.
Tel: 076-5222955 or 06-30048023 Email: info@ageviewers.com

Sincerely,

Dirk Benschop
Director Ageviewers

[1]
http://detailhandel.info/index.cfm/branches/foodspeciaalzaken/slijterijen/

[2]
http://deeplink.rechtspraak.nl/uitspraak?id=ECLI:NL:RBDHA:2016:2480

[3]
http://www.cbl.nl/fileadmin/user_upload/rapporten_materialen_publicaties/Brief_aan_College_B_en_W.pdf
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Fugu Fugu 8 years ago
Hit some .51s
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
Probably need to get a couple 1k bids in .51 .52 .55 etc for more attractiveness.imo Will try to put some in when I have some free cash.
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pennypauly pennypauly 8 years ago
Oh ok, just the 1,500, ok thx
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adijas adijas 8 years ago
I believe this quote is only about the costs for this lawsuit.
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pennypauly pennypauly 8 years ago
Thx, I like this

CBL and Jumbo severally and jointly liable to pay the costs of these proceedings,being the procedural costs, the extrajudicial costs and the additional costs, which costs must be paid to HEM no later than within 14 days after the date of the ruling, in the absence whereof statutory commercial interest will be due over this amount from the expiration of this period until the day payment has been made in full.


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adijas adijas 8 years ago
This is the translation of the judgment.


“HEM”, Plaintiff, v. Defendant sub 1 “ CBL” and Defendants sub 2 through 4 “Jumbo” (in singular form).

1. The procedure

1.1. The progress of the procedure appears from:
- the summons of 13 April 2015 with exhibits;
- CBL’s statement of defence;
- the statement of defence with exhibits of Jumbo;
- the interim judgement of 22 July 2015 whereby an appearance of parties is requested;
- The report of the appearance of the parties on 18 January 2016 and the documents mentioned therein.

1.2. Lastly, a date to deliver the judgement has been set.


2. The facts

2.1. HEM’s objective is to contribute to the sustainable and responsible resolution of social matters through innovations.

2.2. Jumbo is part of the Jumbo group, which is primarily active in the area of foodstuffs and food retail. In addition, it provides services to franchise holders who operate Jumbo supermarkets. In 2012, Jumbo took over the supermarket chain C1000.

2.3. CBL is a trade association of supermarkets and food service companies including almost all active supermarkets (Jumbo included). CBL members control almost 95% of the supermarkets in the Netherlands via own stores/branches and franchise agreements.

2.4. CBL uses a Competition Code which states among others: “participation in meetings, retreats or activities organised by CBL is always voluntary. Any recommendation or advice resulting therefrom is never more than a recommendation or advice: every member of CBL retains at all times the freedom to determine its own policy or to make decisions in all aspects.”

2.5. In terms of volume and sales, most alcoholic beverages and tobacco is sold in supermarkets.

As a result, supermarkets are considered providers of these products within the meaning of the Licensing and Catering Act [Drank- en Horecawet (DHW)] and the Tobacco Act. Based on these laws, it is forbidden to provide alcoholic beverages and tobacco, commercially or otherwise, whether or not free of charge, to persons for whom it has not been determined that they have reached the age of eighteen (until 1 January 2014 the age of sixteen). The age verification takes place based on an identification document. It can only be waived if it concerns a person who unquestionably has reached the age of eighteen (until 1 January 2014 the age of sixteen). The prohibition to sell to underage consumers is hereinafter also referred to as “the provision ban”.

2.6. In 2007, HEM developed the so-called Ageviewer system, which can be used for the age verification. When using the system, an automatic cash register block takes place with every potential purchase of alcohol or tobacco . The cash register will only unblock after a remote age verification carried out by an employee working in HEM’s Verification Center in Breda has taken place.(hereinafter: the verification employee). The remote verification starts by taking a digital image of the customer at the cash register. This image is then displayed on the screen of the verification employee who is to determine whether or not the potential customer has reached the age of eighteen (until 1 January 2014: the age of sixteen). Should that be the case, the cash register will be unblocked and the purchase of the products will be allowed. If the potential buyer has not without doubt reached the age of eighteen (until 1 January 2014: the age of sixteen), he will be asked to place his ID on the terminal. A scan of the ID is then sent to the Verification Center, where the verification employee assesses the validity of the ID based on the received image. The sale of alcohol or tobacco is permitted only after authorisation from the Verification Center. .

2.7. The introduction of the Ageviewer system to the market took place in the fall of 2007.

2.8. Following a pilot, in which leading supermarket franchises participated, C1000 announced the start of the implementation of the Ageviewer system within its stores through a press release on 11 April 2008 titled “C1000 introduces failsafe age verification for alcohol and tobacco sales. However, the implementation of the Ageviewer system was cancelled later on.

2.9. On 2 March 2009, CBL launched the campaign Noggeen20 (hereinafter: the campaign) after that its members approved the content thereof during the member meeting of 12 June 2008. The website of CBL states the following about the campaign: “Every supermarket participates. It is an industry agreement to which all supermarkets have committed.”

2.10. For this campaign, CBL adapted the existing training for cashiers, “Sometimes you must sell no”, to the new age requirement. During the training the employees have the opportunity to practice how to comply with the rules for the sales of alcohol and tobacco. In addition, CBL distributed CD-
ROMS containing information about the identification requirement up to the age of twenty and the law regarding the sale of alcohol and tobacco. Campaign materials, such as cash register stickers and brochures were distributed as well.

2.11. In 2012, the CBL-Code “Responsible alcohol sales in the supermarket” was published. It was subsequently amended in 2013 and 2014. These three versions of the codes are hereinafter jointly referred to as “the Code”.

2.12. The Code is based on a guide written by CBL and the Nederlandse Voedsel en Warenautoriteit [Netherlands Food and Consumer Product Safety Authority] in the context of a pilot that took place in 2010, which reviewed whether the inspection method for compliance with the hygiene requirements could also be used for the compliance with the Licensing and Catering Act. The conversion of that guide into the Code reflected the desire to establish minimum standards within the supermarket industry in order to ensure compliance with the legal requirements for the sale of alcohol and tobacco.

2.13. The Code was created by CBL’s Alcohol and Youth Project Group. CBL presented the Code to its members with the request that they commit to it. All members expressed their support and commitment to the provisions of the Code.

2.14. The introduction of the Code contains the following statement: “(the code) describes what measures the supermarkets shall take to meet these requirements (from the Licensing and Catering Act, addition by the court). All members of CBL commit to this Code and consider the measures provided therein as the minimum standard for the responsible sale of alcohol. In addition to the requirements in the Code, supermarkets can also take chain-specific measures”.

2.15. Part 3 of the Code, titled “Translation legal requirements” states , insofar relevant: “In order to meet the legal requirements, supermarkets shall take measures in their work processes with regard to the point of sales and the sales transaction.( . . . )

3.2 Sales transaction

3.2.1 Age limits

"Supermarkets shall not sell alcohol to youth that have not yet reached the age of 16. In order ascertain that the customer is old enough to purchase alcohol, the cashier shall request customers younger than 20 for their ID when purchasing alcohol. (...)” In the Code of 2014, these ages were raised respectively to age 18 (sales) and age 25 (verificationage).

2.16. The versions from 2013 and 2014 of the Code also state in part 3: “3.2.3 Tools The performance of the age verification consists of four steps: estimate the age (up to age 25), request an ID, calculate the customer’s age based on the date of birth indicated on the ID, and lastly permit or refuse the sale. The first two steps (behaviour) are extensively addressed in trainings and instructions. Tools are provided for the faultless determination of the age. In this way the last step, correct sales, can always be performed properly.”

2.17. Part 4 of the Code, titled “From the law to the work floor” provides , insofar relevant: “In order to ensure that the law is observed, the employees are properly equipped for their task. In this way the compliance with age limits is made easier.

4.1 Instruction of personnel
The instruction of the personnel is essential for the proper execution of the procedures. With this the foundation is laid for the compliance with age limits.

4.1.1 Training
Everyone who performs cash register duties shall be trained. CBL’s training “Sometimes you must sell no” can be attended and tested via the website www.supermarkt.nl. Instead of the CBL-training, supermarkets can develop an equivalent training and test time.

4.1.2 What must the cashier know and be able to do?
After training and instruction, the cashier:
- knows that customers up to age 25 must be asked for ID when purchasing alcohol;
- knows in which way he must verify if the customer has reached the required age;
( . . . ) ”

2.18. In addition to the cashier training mentioned in paragraph 2.10 and CBL’s instructions, various other tools are available to support the age verification i.e. the calculation tool developed by CBL, the so-called “age disk”, ID scanners, and attention signals in the cash register system, such as a sound alert and a block of the cash register when alcohol or tobacco is presented to the cashier.

2.19. Following a report about a possible alleged violation of article 6 of the Competition Act [Mededingingswet (Mw)], the Consumer & Market Authority [Autoriteit Consument & Markt(ACM)] requested information and documents from CBL as well as a statement of its position. CBL specified that: “Supermarkets can use different tools to avoid alcohol being sold to customers under the age of 18. The Ageviewer system is one of those tools. Other tools are for example the calculation tool, the cash register block system, the Ageprint (a fingerprint system) and the ID-swiper. All existing methods and systems have advantages and disadvantages. With regard to the Ageviewer system, CBL has pointed out specifically in the past that (i) it does not prevent resale (an employee cannot judge from a distance if the alcohol is actually purchased for own consumption and (ii) customers find it unpleasant to stand in front of the camera.”

2.20. On 6 October 2014, CBL issued a press release: “(..) CBL members are completely free to determine in which way they implement the age verification with the sale of alcohol and tobacco. Furthermore, the Code is neither meant nor is it to be interpreted as a document that prescribes or excludes certain age verification systems.”

2.21. The Ageviewer system was purchased by approximately one hundred supermarkets and liquor stores that are not CBL members. None of CBL members or their franchise holders have purchased the system. In the meantime, HEM has shut down the operation of the Ageviewer system.

3. The dispute

3.1. HEM asked the court, in a as much as possible provisionally enforceable judgment:
A. to rule that the campaign and the Code are legally void;
B. to rule that Jumbo acted unlawfully towards HEM from 12 June 2008 up to today because it acted in violation with article 6, paragraph 1, Mw;
C. to rule that CBL acted unlawfully towards HEM from 2 March 2009 up to today because it acted in violation with article 6, paragraph 1, Mw;
D. to rule that CBL and Jumbo due to the actions in question are liable for damages towards HEM, and to order CBL and Jumbo severally and jointly to pay the damages suffered by HEM, to be further determined and settled in accordance with the law and to be increased with the applicable statutory interest, to be calculated from the date of this ruling until the day payment has been made in full; and
E. to order CBL and Jumbo severally and jointly liable to pay the costs of these proceedings,being the procedural costs, the extrajudicial costs and the additional costs, which costs must be paid to HEM no later than within 14 days after the date of the ruling, in the absence whereof statutory commercial interest will be due over this amount from the expiration of this period until the day payment has been made in full.

3.2. HEM argues that the campaign and the Code are intended to - or result in - restricted competition and that they are therefore void. CBL and Jumbo are thus liable by virtue of an unlawful act due to a violation of article 6 Mw.
3.3. CBL and Jumbo put forward their defence.
3.4. The parties’ arguments , insofar relevant, are further addressed below.

4. The assessment
Campaign and Code: decisions of a trade association within the meaning of article 6 Mw?
4.1. That CBL is a trade association within the meaning of article 6 Mw is not in dispute nor is it disputed that the campaign and the Code are not legally binding decisions, nor that CBL is not authorised to impose requirements on its members, as is also shown from the Code of Conduct of the Code cited in 2.4, to which it refers in this context. For a decision of a trade association to fall within the meaning of article 6 Mw, it is not required that the decision is legally binding or that it imposes any requirements. HEM rightly points out that every recommendation falls within the scope of this article , regardless of how they should be qualified legally, as long as it represents a true reflection of the desire to coordinate the behaviour of the members of the trade association.

4.2. HEM and the court believe that the campaign and the Code are a truereflection of the desire to coordinate the behaviour of CBL’s members in the respective market by standardising the way in which the age verification is performed through the implementation of minimum standards. The court reasons as follows.

4.3. The desire to coordinate CBL’s members behaviour is shown by the contents of the Code, which contains specific measures and minimum standards. Moreover, these are formulated firmly and without reservation. See for example the citations under 2.16 and 2.17. Part of the campaign is to attend the adapted CBL training “Sometimes you must sell no”. This training is also part of the Code (see “From the law to the work floor”), with the understanding that supermarkets may also develop an equivalent training and test time themselves. Thus, the CBL training or an equivalent training - and the method taught there - is the (minimum) standard. The above demonstrates CBL’s desire to coordinate its members’ behaviour in the respective market.

4.4. This is also shown from the way the campaign and the Code came into being i.e. both came into being during member meetings and are binding in nature. All members of CBL have expressed their support and commitment to the provisions of the Code. The above illustrates CBL’s efforts in ensuring that all its members implement and accept the Code as minimum standard for the sale of alcohol and tobacco.

4.5. The standardising character of the Code is further shown by the fact that all members consider the measures provided therein as the minimum standard for the responsible sale of alcohol and tobacco (see 2.14).

4.6. The above is further confirmed by the fact that CBL’s campaign is regarded as “a directive for CBL members to comply with the law” (statement of defence paragraph 3.8) and the Code as a “form of self-regulation” (statement of defence paragraph 3.7). This self-regulation concerns the majority of the supermarkets in the Netherlands, since the members control about 95% of the supermarkets in the Netherlands via own stores/branches and franchise agreements, and in terms of volume and sales most alcoholic beverages and tobacco are sold in supermarkets.

4.7. CBL refers to the press release mentioned under paragraph 2.20 and emphasises that its members are free to disregard the Code and to take other measures. If, and to what extent, the Code is to be followed is however not a determining factor when assessing whether a decision of a trade association falls within the ambit of article 6 Mw. However, the compliance - just like control and coercion - forms a clear indication of the presence of the desire of the trade association to coordinate the behaviour of its members in the respective market. In this context it is important to stress that none of CBL members use the Ageviewer system, while around a hundred non-CBL members do. Campaign and Code: agreements within the meaning of article 6 Mw?

4.8. It is not disputed that Jumbo is an undertaking within the meaning of article 6 Mw. Just like other CBL members - who control the supermarkets in the Netherlands and together in terms of volume and sales sell most alcoholic beverages - Jumbo has agreed and committed to the campaign and the Code, which, as outlined above, represents the expression of the joint desire to behave in a certain way on the market. Moreover, the Code was prepared by a CBL project group (which by the way was aware of the existence of the Ageviewer system). Thus the campaign and the Code are agreements within the meaning of article 6 Mw. The fact that Jumbo, as it emphasises itself, felt free not to comply with the campaign and the Code, and in practice did not do so fully, does not lead to a different conclusion.

Competition-restricting campaign and Code?

4.9. The next point at issue is whether or not the campaign and the Code, as HEM argues, have a competition-restricting object . The court answers this question affirmatively. Thus, the court does not follow CBL and Jumbo in their argument that the campaign and the Code leave supermarkets entirely free to choose how the age verification is to be performed. In this context, the court reasons as follows.

4.10. The court first addresses the three distinctive steps when performing the age verification. These consist consecutively of:

i) the offering for sale of alcohol or tobacco, which requires the performance of age

ii) the performance of the age verification, by verification;
a) checking whether the customer is younger than 20 (and from 2014: 25),
b) in all cases where the customer is not without doubt older than that age, ask for an ID and
c) to check the ID for relevant authenticity and validity characteristics;

iii) whether or not to complete the alcohol or tobacco sale.

4.11. When using the Ageviewer system, the cash register in step i) is blocked in all cases and the age verification takes place as described under paragraph 2.6. Thereby step ii) sub a) takes place remotely. If the customer is not without doubt older than 20, the cashier will subsequently ask for the ID (step ii) sub b)), after which step ii) sub c) is performed remotely again, by verification of the ID held in front of the screen. Step iii) is performed again by the cashier.

4.12. The Code states (under paragraph 3.2) that the cashier performs the sale. CBL and Jumbo are correct that this mere information does not affect the use of the Ageviewer system: the alcohol or tobacco to be purchased is each time presented to the cashier (step i)), who ultimately completes or does not complete this transaction (step iii). In addition, the Code (under 3.2.1) states that the cashier shall ask a customer who is not without doubt older than 20 for an ID (and from 1 January 2014 older than 25). This is step ii) sub b). CBL and Jumbo rightly argue that the cashier has to perform the same action also when using the Ageviewer system. In this regard, a literal interpretation of the provisions from the Code provides room for the Ageviewer system to be used.

4.13. However, the above does not alter the fact that the campaign and the Code prescribe a method of age verification by the cashier which is irreconcilable with the use of the Ageviewer system. The provisions in the Code about the training of the cashiers with the training offered by CBL - or an equivalent training developed by the supermarket itself - cannot be reconciled with the use of the system. This is because the final tests of this training - thus which all cashiers must meet – entails that the cashier must know: that customers younger than 20 (in the 2014 version: younger than 25) must be asked for their ID when purchasing alcohol, how to verify if the customer has reached the required age, and how to verify the ID for authenticity and validity. When using the Ageviewer system, however, no training is required as all these checks are performed via remote verification . The standard training is thus aimed at teaching the cashier how to perform the entire age verification, including step ii) sub a and c, being performed by the cashier. Therefore, the standard training prescribed by the Code does not align with the Ageviewer system - as step ii) sub a and c are not performed by the cashier. In light of the above, CBL and Jumbo cannot be followed entirely in their argument that the training is also relevant even if the Ageviewer system is used. Should the system be used, the training becomes to a large extent unnecessary.

4.14. The above also applies to the provisions of the Codes from 2013 and 2014, which state that assistance tools can be provided to the cashiers to determine the age of the customer (see paragraph 2.18); this would not make sense since the system uses a remote verification process.

4.15. Given the above, it is clear that the campaign and the Code by their nature restrict competition in the methods of performing age verifications. The competition-restricting object of the campaign and the Code is apparent as CBL and its members, who control the majority of the Dutch supermarkets, have committed to a standardised training, which in fact excludes the application of the Ageviewer system.

4.16. The above also applies if CBL and its members - Jumbo and the other supermarkets - did not have the subjective goal or intention, when preparing the campaign and the Code, to exclude competition with regard to the Ageviewer system by means of the standardised training of cashiers. Whether or not this is the case does not need to be addressed. The court therefore disregards CBL’s negative comments concerning the Ageviewer system.

4.17. CBL and Jumbo emphasise that the campaign and the Code “only” contain a minimum standard, on top of which chain-specific measures can be implemented (see 2.14). This argument could benefit them if the use of the system could be considered an additional measure, on top of the measures contained in the Code. The above shows that this is not the case: the campaign and the Code provide a minimum standard as well as training and assisting tools for the cashiers to perform themselves step ii) sub a and c. These steps , however, are not performed by the cashier when using the system, but by a remote verification employee.

4.18. Now that the campaign and the Code have a competition-restricting object, in their nature and apart from the concrete consequence, they form a noticeable restriction of the competition within the meaning of article 6 Mw. The further dispute concerning the effects of the campaign and the Code do not need to be addressed.

Damage probable?

4.19. HEM requests damages that have yet to be determined. HEM states that it first wants to focus the debate on the liability issue and does not want to complicate the debate unnecessarily with a time-consuming and complicated debate about the estimate of the damages generated over a period of seven years. This does not change the fact that for the assignment of this claim it must be plausible that HEM has incurred damages as a result of the campaign and the Code. HEM is not obligated to state the damages and the progression thereof concretely and specifically. However, it can be expected that HEM proves with sufficient probability that it had suffered damages as a result of the breach.

4.20. HEM states that the effect of the campaign and the Code is that they could only focus on 5% of the supermarkets that are not controlled by CBL members. As a result, it states that it has suffered millions of Euros in the form of (not limited) loss of profits and losses suffered. With this HEM has met its duty to prove probability of damages. Now that CBL and Jumbo did not conduct a specific defence about the probability of the damages stated by HEM, the requirement for referral to the damage assessment procedure has been met. However, CBL and Jumbo have argued that there are many disadvantages to the (use of) the Ageviewer system. Jumbo referred to internal documents of 6 April 2011 and 16 March 2012 (which it has submitted into the proceedings as Exhibit 1 and 2), pointing out disadvantages of the system during a pilot. These identified disadvantages of the Ageviewer system - which undoubtedly (could) have impacted the sales of the Ageviewer system, perhaps also in the case of C1000/Jumbo - shall be addressed in the estimate of the damages in a damages assessment procedure.

Final conclusion

4.21. The above means that the campaign and the Code are void and that CBL and Jumbo by virtue of an unlawful act are both liable for the damages HEM suffered due to the campaign. These damages are to be further determined in a subsequent procedure. Now that CBL and Jumbo are liable towards HEM for the same damages, they are severally and jointly bound based on article 6:102 BW. The claims A through D are awarded.

4.22. CBL and Jumbo, as the losing parties are ordered to pay the costs of these proceedings claimed under E. These are estimated at €1,594.84 (€77,84 for the writ, €613 court fee and €904 (2 points rate II) for attorney fees. For the remainder, the claim under E is rejected. It has neither been stated nor shown that there are grounds for granting extrajudicial costs. There are no grounds for a ruling on the additional costs, now that the procedural costs judgement results in an enforcement order for these additional costs (see SC 19 March 2010, ECLI:NL:HR:2010:BLI 116). There are also no grounds for the awarding of statutory commercial interest, due to the lack of a trade agreement within the meaning of article 6:119a BW.

5. The decision

The court

5.1. rules that the campaign and the Code are void;

5.2. rules that Jumbo has acted unlawfully towards HEM from 12 June 2008 until today, because it has acted in violation of article 6(1) of the Competition Act;

5.3. rules that CBL has acted unlawfully towards HEM from 2 March 2009 until today, because it has acted in violation of article 6(1) of the Competition Act;

5.4. rules that CBL and Jumbo due to these acts are liable for damages towards HEM, and orders CBL and Jumbo, severally and jointly, to pay the damages suffered by HEM, to be further determined and settled in accordance with the law and to be increased with the applicable statutory interest, to be calculated from the date of this ruling until the day payment has been made in full, and 5.5. orders CBL and Jumbo, severally and jointly, to pay the costs of these proceedings, which until this ruling are estimated at €1,594.84.

5.6. declares the ruling referred to under 5.5 provisionally enforceable;

5.7. rejects any additional or other claims.

This judgement was issued by L. Alwin LL.M., D.R. Glass LL.M. and I. Brand LL.M. and publicly announced on 9 March 2016.
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
We could probably have a very high market cap here with all of the developments.


Restart of business alone and backing by US cos

Settlement payment

Products hitting other countries


People will pay what they think the future of the co will be in this market.


This isnt some POS scam penny stock the guys had a working system being used in business. Ageviers was so good that it caused big corporate companies to involve themselves in a conspiracy to shut them down.lol Luckily The Netherlands takes these things serious and arent corrupt like some other countries. They figured it out and made the ruling. Thats pretty awesome for the courts to get to the bottom of it.











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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
Yup 1.00 to 2.00 was what I thought back then what TLCO was worth, just for their system and foot in the market at that time. Then I got a wake up call when they got completely shut down by cartel.


To me without the Cartel doing its illegal thing I think $1.50 is easily reasonable for TLCO pps.


Now with judgement and possible US lawsuits its going to go up dramatically.


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pennypauly pennypauly 8 years ago
The 144's add up to 3,383,447 shares purchased at an average price of .45 cents.
That total share value is $1,522,551.00 just for the 144.

If the court awards $1.00 a share that equates to 3.3 mil. Only for the 144's.

Now if you take that $1.00 and multiply by the float of 215,000,000 the settlement equates $215,000,000.00 million dollars!! The stock was trading from .40 to 1.23 so $1.00 seems very responsible amount.

It seems to me the only true numbers the court can figure as an acceptable settlement amount is to give an amount per share


Just speculation....
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
Yup that Final judgement is gonna be huge for us. Also I think we are going to see some Lawsuits filed in the U.S. soon. This will put TLCO on everyone's radar! The big board boys will pick this up.


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pennypauly pennypauly 8 years ago
Those 144's along with the share holders and the company will be calculated in the final judgment. The cartel hurt 100's of people and the future returns for those people.

ITS going to be a lot of monies!
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Fugu Fugu 8 years ago
Yes, thanks for re-posting that info. There's really nothing to dislike here other than lack of participation. I've got a healthy chunk of the float and will happily sit on my hands and watch the story unfold.
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Fugu Fugu 8 years ago
Nice, just gotta clear that .67 seller and we need vol to kick this into gear.
I got patience.
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
Yeah no freaking way any dilution. They dont even have them to dilute. The OTCM was just prob out of date on that RS that was done before they did the merger and all of that with Ageviewers. The insiders were actually buying....


These stocks sometimes get dry for a few days and boom they run. You never know when they pop up 500% or more.

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pennypauly pennypauly 8 years ago
Picked up another 1,000 today
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adijas adijas 8 years ago
I think so too. Last float on OTCM was 139k in 2010. If you go through the historical trades since then, you see hardly any trades. Most are from last month, and for sure there hasn't been any dilution last weeks.
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
Check out the form 4's and 5's They were getting ready for something big before the boycott/court and quiet period. Now that the courts rule in favor of TLCO and they are going after US cos this is going to get crazy. imo


Insiders were paying as much as $1.23 a share

Form 5 Schipper Hendrik 2,514,840 Aquired
Form 4 Schipper Hendrik 434,409 A cquired $0.40
Form 5 Hovers Joannes C.M. 112,582 Acquired $0.60
Form 5 CCR BEHEER B.V. 2,514,840 Acquired
Form 4 CCR BEHEER B.V. 434,409 Acquired $0.40
Form 5 Benschop Dirk Leonard 109,542 Acquired $0.10
Form 5 Kroner Ralph Peter 52,500 Acq $1.18 & 1600 Acq $1.23
Form 4 Kroner Ralph Peter 159,574 Acq $0.65 & 28,005 Acq $0.41
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$hellKing $hellKing 8 years ago
I got the same response too from TA. It looks like the O/S went up from years ago but this is still very very low. And Restricted is out of this world too for a stock. But still the trading float i believe is very close to 100k or less. I would imagine the insiders buying or owning much of the public float.
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pennypauly pennypauly 8 years ago
SS confirmed by TA

Teleconnect:

Authorized: 500,000,000
Issued and outstanding: 18,029,922
Restricted: 17,631,244 WOW!


Issued and outstanding is 398,678



















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